The actual facts of the matter are hard to come by. I began here:
‘You are right. I understood this myself when I read your novel The Time Machine. All human conceptions are on the scale of our planet. They are based on the pretension that the technical potential, though it will develop, will never exceed the terrestrial limit. If we succeed in establishing interplanetary communications, all our philosophies, moral and social views, will have to be revised. In this case the technical potential, become limitless, will impose the end of the role of violence as a means and method of progress.’
Vladimir Ilych Lenin, in conversation with H. G. Wells
SOURCE: Roberts, Adam. Yellow Blue Tibia (London: Gollancz, 2009), epigraph to this science fiction novel.
And then to here:
‘Lenin told the British science fiction writer, H.G. Wells, who interviewed him in the Kremlin in 1920, that if life were discovered on other planets, revolutionary violence would no longer be necessary: “Human ideas — he told Wells — are based on the scale of the planet we live in. They are based on the assumption that the technical potentialities, as they develop, will never overstep ‘the earthly limit.’ If we succeed in making contact with the other planets, all our philosophical, social and moral ideas will have to be revised, and in this event these potentialities will become limitless and will put an end to violence as a necessary means of progress.”
SOURCE: Stites, Richard. Revolutionary Dreams: Utopian Vision and Experimental Life in the Russian Revolution (New York: Oxford University Press, 1989) p. 42. From chapter 2: “Revolution: Utopias in the Air and on the Ground,” section “The Dreamer in the Kremlin,” pp. 41-46. This quote can be found here: Lenin / H.G. Wells.
The source is given in footnote 13, p. 263:
13. The first quotation is from Patrick McGuire, Red Stars: Political Aspects of Soviet Science Fiction (Ann Arbor: UMI, 1985) 122, n. 39; the second from Striedter, “Journeys,” 36 . Lenins library contained Bogdanov’s Engineer Menni and many of his nonfiction works, the works of Bryusev, Mayakovsky , and Klyuev (see Chapter 9); Nikolai Morozov’s Star Songs, Ilya Ehrenburg’s Julio Jurenito and Trust DE (two anti-capitalist political fantasies), and the monarchist utopian novel Beyond the Thistle by Peter Krasnov (see Chapter 8): Biblioteka V. I. Lenina v Kremle: katalog (Moscow: Vsesoyuznaya palata, 1961). Absent from the collection are Chernyshevsky’s What Is To Be Done? and Bogdanov’s Red Star (both of which he had read). Lenin must have read Wells’s Time Machine just prior to the interview since he told the sculptress Clare Sheridan in 1920 that regretfully he had read none of Wells’s science fiction: Russian Portraits (London: Cape, 1921) 108.
Before tracing this further, I jumped to the following book and found this:
SOURCE: Kozyreva, Maria; Shamina, Vera. “Russia Revisited,” in The Reception of H. G. Wells in Europe, edited by Patrick Parrinder & John S. Partington (London: Thoemmes Continuum, 2005), pp. 48-62. See: “Wells’s second visit, 1920,” p. 53:
But of course the main event of his second visit to Russia was his meeting with Lenin in Moscow on 6 October. It is strange that for a long time the exact date of the meeting was uncertain and that no notes were taken of what was said. Even the person accompanying Wells, F. Rootstein, spoke about the meeting in general terms and dated it to 1918. The only sources, therefore, are Wells himself and Claire Sheridan, the British sculptor who was working on Lenin’s bust while Wells was in Moscow. When she talked to Lenin about Wells, the Soviet leader said he had read only one of his novels (Kagarlitsky 1970, 244).
Kagarlitsky, Julius (1970) ‘Chital li Lenin Wellsa’, Voprosy literatury [Moscow], 10: 244.
Here is what Claire Sheridan wrote, based on her conversation with Lenin:
We talked about H. G. (Wells) and he said the only book of his he had read was “Joan and Peter,” but that he had not read it to the end. He liked the description at the beginning of the English intellectual bourgeois life. He admitted that he should have read, and regretted not having read some of the earlier fantastic novels about wars in the air, and the world set free.
SOURCE: Sheridan, Claire. Mayfair to Moscow: Clare Sheridan’s Diary (New York: Boni and Liveright, 1921), p. 117. Also published as: Russian Portraits. London: J. Cape, 1921. Also available via HathiTrust.
McGuire cites Kagarlitski. Wellss own account of his discussion with Lenin, if cited accurately, looks implausible.
39. Besides several extant comments on Bogdanov’s science fiction, Lenin is remembered as having discussed science fiction or interplanetary travel on several occasions. According to H.G. Wells, Lenin said in 1920 “that as he read The Time Machine he understood that human ideas are based on the scale of the planet we live in: They are based on the assumption that the technical potentialities, as they develop, will never overstep ‘the earthly limit.’ If we succeed in making contact with the other planets, all our philosophical, social and moral ideas will have to be revised, and in this event these potentialities will become limitless and will put an end to violence as a necessary means to progress” (J. Kagarlitski, The Life and Thought of H.G. Wells, trans. Moura Budberg [London: Sidgwick and Jackson, 1966], p. 46. Budberg probably retranslated from the Russian. Elsewhere, Soviet critics cite E. Drabkina, “Nevozmoshnogo net,” Izvestiia, 22 December 1961, p. 4, for this quotation. Drabkina in turn refers to an unspecified issue of Le Paris-Presse, apparently for 1959,) Lenin’s personal library in the Kremlin included only two works of science fiction (Bogdanov’s Engineer Menni and Morozov’s collection of science-fiction poetry, Star Songs), and no nonfiction speculations on interplanetary travel (Biblioteka V.I. Lenina v Kremle [Moscow: lzd. Vsesoiuznoi knizhnoi palati, 1961]).
SOURCE: McGuire, Patrick. Red Stars: Political Aspects of Soviet Science Fiction (Ann Arbor: UMI, 1985) p. 122, note 39.
The trail leads here:
Not even the author of The Time Machine himself realized the enormous possibilities implicit in this outlook. In 1920, after a conversation with Lenin, Wells made a note, which was published fairly recently—after the Soviet flight to the moon. “Lenin said”, wrote Wells, “that as he read The Time Machine he understood that human ideas are based on the scale of the planet we live in: they are based on the assumption that the technical potentialities, as they develop, will never overstep ‘the earthly limit’. If we succeed in making contact with the other planets, all our philosophical, social and moral ideas will have to be revised, and in this event these potentialities will become limitless and will put an end to violence as a necessary means to progress.”
SOURCE: Kagarlitski, J[ulius]. The Life and Thought of H. G. Wells, translated from the Russian by Moura Budberg (London: Sidgwick and Jackson, 1966), p. 46.
Here is where I first read about Wellss meeting with Lenin, when I was laid up in bed with a long-term serious illness in early 1974: here is the editors prefatory note:
11. V. I. Lenin
The high point of Wells’s visit to Russia in 1920 was his audience with Lenin; in his book on the Russian trip, he calls this chapter “The Dreamer in the Kremlin.” After Wells left, Lenin is supposed to have exclaimed “What a bourgeois he is! He is a Philistine!” And then, says Trotsky, he “raised both hands above the table, laughed and sighed, as was characteristic of him when he felt a kind of inner shame for another man.” *
* Leon Trotsky, Lenin (New York, 1925), p. 173.
SOURCE: Wells, H. G. Journalism and Prophecy, 1893-1946: An Anthology, compiled and edited by W. Warren Wagar (Boston: Houghton Mifflin, 1964), p. 329. Prefatory note to II: Portraits: 11. V. I. Lenin, pp. 329-336. The original source for this portrait is Wellss Russia in the Shadows, pp. 145-50, 152-67.
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